Tuesday, February 06, 2007
Chris Quinn Update
Big news for the rookie in Miami. CQ got his first NBA start with Gary Payton suspended and Jason Williams injured. 36 minutes, 14 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, only 2 turnovers. Great job stepping up when opportunity knocked. He has a very good shot at a starting job in the near future in Miami or elsewhere. Congrats, Chris.
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Good game all around for Irish faithful, as Matt Carrol had 13 points, 2 assists and a couple of rebounds in the losing effort for the Bobcats, as well.
Those two, plus Pat Garrity and Troy Murphy, have really formed solid careers in the NBA. It's nice to see those guys be successful at the next level when ND gets so little credit for producing basketball talent.
It's also hard to understand why those guys can make it and players like Ryan Humphrey and Chris Thomas have to take their game across the ocean. Some players are just cut out for the NBA, I guess.
I think it often has to do with getting with the right coach and the right situation, and getting the right opportunity. It's not always just about talent.
Personally, off teh top of my head, two of the top 10 reasons I would immediately right off an NBA team b/f the season starts are 'Chris Quinn is our starting PG' & 'Matt Carrol is our goto guy'....Way behind 'Isiah is our GM', but still valid in knowing that your team sucks...
No offense to the ND guys, but they are clearly in the bottom 20% of the talent pool in the NBA...Even when they were both in college, no one could say they projected to be vital cogs to an NBA rotation. And they still aren't. They are your typical dime a dozen players.
Is that a bad career? No, but it's not something that says "Hey, ND can really produce NBA talent."
Bryan,
I'm not sure if you woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or someone pissed in your oatmeal.
Nobody ever said "Hey, ND can really produce NBA talent", "Chris Quinn is our starting PG", or "Matt Carrol is our goto guy", at least nowhere I can see on this posting or comments. We're just Irish faithful celebrating some success for some Irish alumni - not hating on anyone else, not claiming to be better than anyone else, and certainly not claiming to produce the same level or quantity of NBA players as many other powerhouse schools (your favorite school, obviously, included).
I can understand ND haters popping off on the football blog, where we havily-ND-biased people do tend to make and debate those claims, but come on, hating on an ND basketball blog? Why not just say hey, these are a couple of outstanding young men having what does amount to a good career and a little success, and congrats for that?
And by the way, you don't "right off" anything - you "write" it off.
hey Bryan
Re: Quinn and Carroll... after their NBA careers, at least they will have a degree. And your guys will be serving their kids fries at a drive through on their way to a skiing trip.
Ok several things:
1) I am an 2002 ND Alum. I am also a pessimist. Yes, you can be both!
2) I was there for Matt Carrol's overrated college career. Not once did you think "Wow, 7 years from now, he's gonna be in the NBA still"
3) Face the facts: If you were to rank every player in the NBA based on talent, Caroll & Quinn would be in the bottom fifth of the league.
4) Isn't the point of these blogs to actually, you know, debate stuff? Fine, it's nice that fellow ND alumni are having some 'success' in the NBA. But that doesn't mean ND shouldn't be getting more "credit for producing basketball talent." (quoted from Black&Green's post) This is why I hate most ND blogs: Anyone says that slightly is against ND, everyone overreacts & you're accused of being a ND hater...Calm the **** down (Blackandgreen, are we allowed to curse on your blog? not sure, so i'm being courteous)
5) My opinion: If your starting PG in the NBA is Chris Quinn, I'm sorry: your team sucks. If you ranked the PG in the league where would Quinn be?
6) One of the easiest ways to kill a message board: criticize people's spelling. It just leads to posts like "Why should I believe you, you can't spell we're?" and 1000's of posts are wasted about grammar (like this one) and I didn't come here to read about grammar.
Guess what? I'm writing this post while at my job (flippin' burgers btw :)) and I really don't have the time to proofread every single word on these posts. Get over it...
Blackandgreen, this is a good blog; don't let the rose-colored glasses ruin it
To start off, I really wouldn't judge Quinn's pro talent yet. He's just a rookie and hasn't even gotten a full year under his belt. He has however, been given a great opportunity by a veteran coach in Ron Rothstein and could very well start again tonight with Payton back. He wasn't even drafted, but to make the team and start this early in his career shows how much faith Pat Riley and the Miami brass have in him.
As for Carroll, he's averaging double figures scoring, shoots the best 3 point clip on the team, and has started just one less game than All-Everything Adam Morrison. Charlotte isn't a great team, but they have shown a willingness to build around young talent such as #13.
Quick, name the top 5 scorers in the NBA. Anthony, Arenas, Iverson, Bryant, and Wade have a combined seven years of college experience between them. None of the five played more than two years and all four who went to college left without graduating.
Carroll, Quinn, and Garrity all played four years and graduated. Murphy left after three.
But back to the original point. All four are earning stable incomes playing professional basketball. In an age where most of the drafted talent came right out of high school, these guys went to college and have still done well at the next level.
Notre Dame is well-hyped as a football powerhouse, yet produced NBA talent over a seven year period. Four players on NBA rosters is more than well known programs IU, Gonazaga, and Pitt. Hats off to Mike Brey for producing some pro talent, a trait which has rarely been noticed about our program.
Bryan,
Thanks for the comments. There's plenty of room for discussion here no matter your opinion. Also, thanks for refraining from cursing. I'd rather keep it clean.
Now, to what you said:
You keep dissing Miami, which is just a hair under .500. They are the defending champs and currently hold a playoff spot in the lesser Eastern Conference. Not the best, but worth noting.
Comment #3: I have no idea where Carroll and Quinn would rank in overall talent, so I can't really aruge with you there. There are plenty of NBA rosters on which Chris Quinn would not be starting, but there are others on which he would be greatly welcomed.
Comment #5: Again, ranking players isn't my thing, but he does rank 10th for rookies in assists. That's only notable because Quinn plays less than half as much as the guys ahead of him. On assists per 48 minutes, he's fifth. The guys ahead of him went 21-27 in the First Round. He's certainly playing above his draft status (or lack thereof). Overall point guards, who knows, but I would agree that very few rookie PGs start for great teams.
Hope you enjoy flipping burgers, not sure how you get internet access in the back of the Burger King.
1) Chris Quinn is not a starting point guard. He has started a game before. His start came b/c of a suspension and an injury. Having said that...pretty impressive to be a rookie point guard getting a start for the defending champs. Anyone who thinks that Miami isnt good does not know what they are talking about. They will be around when it matters, and it appears that Quinn will be getting more responsibility and more minutes as the season moves along.
2) Matt Carroll is the truth. If you have the ability to drop 30 in an NBA game, regardless of the opponent, you can play. #2 in the NBA in free throw percentage by the way. This is the first season that he has gotten any kind of regular playing time, and has run with it. He is currently a starter on a bad team, but would be a welcomed addition to any great team off the bench now. He will only get better in the next few years, and averaging more than 11/game in the first year that you average more than 20min. is not bad.
Bryan -
You clearly dont realize what the bottom 20% of the NBA consists of...b/c they dont ever play. The bottom 20%, minus 2 or 3 teams that are ridiculously deep, sit on the bench and dont get minutes. The fact that Matt Carroll would get minutes on any NBA roster precludes him from being in that category you speak of.
Latest update: Payton was back against the lowly Celtics. Quinn got a DNP. Cruising around a couple Heat fan sites, it looks like several people have mentioned Chris as a possible replacement for Payton before the end of the year.
Not sure about the coach's descision to sit CQ, but there appears to be nothing wrong with him.
One last note about the Heat...
Shaq's been injured all year and probably won't play until the playoffs. A healthy O'Neal is worth 10-12 regular season wins, easy. Plus, if you pair Shaq and D-Wade it doesn't matter who plays point. The team will be a contender no matter what.
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