tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post2117384991622443987..comments2023-07-06T11:25:56.194-04:00Comments on Black and Green Irish Men's Basketball Report: Ten Steps to SuccessBlackandGreenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08973328610673633428noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-80764887299440942012009-02-11T09:11:00.000-05:002009-02-11T09:11:00.000-05:00We must upgrade our December schedule. Those games...We must upgrade our December schedule. Those games do nothing for anybody except for the opposing school pocketing a check. Some of those teams were so bad my son laughed out loud during the games. The 100-200 dynamic is on the mark. Teams from conferences like the CAA (Richmond, Drexel, VCU etc.). Brey won't even throw Delaware a bone, and they have been terrible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-11556806007261981432009-02-10T21:45:00.000-05:002009-02-10T21:45:00.000-05:00http://www.turnto10.com/jar/sports/local/article/f...http://www.turnto10.com/jar/sports/local/article/face_to_face_marvin_barnes_geoff_mcdermott/9072/<BR/><BR/>We need to bring Marvin in to motivate. The look on Geoff McDermott's face is priceless. Marvin is practicing a bit of revisionist history - but hey, I like his fire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-33296284325339806992009-02-10T21:35:00.000-05:002009-02-10T21:35:00.000-05:00Good analysis.... you should email this to the new...Good analysis.... you should email this to the new Athletic Director with a copy to Mr. Dick Notebart, the Chairman of the Board of Trustees at ND. I have seen him attend a couple of ND men's basketball games this year. He's a fan and he must be as interested as the rest of us in getting this program more competitive.<BR/><BR/>As for the AD, he's probably appreciate the help!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-63632293976048792092009-02-10T16:46:00.000-05:002009-02-10T16:46:00.000-05:00Love the banter and I think you are both approachi...Love the banter and I think you are both approaching the correct result, albeit from different angles. A team that bangs down low and generates open looks outside while playing shutdown defense is a team that wins championships.<BR/><BR/>We're a team that plays Euro-style offense (and plays it pretty well, with a top 10 efficiency) but can't defend worth a damn. European teams didn't catch up to the US in the earlier part of the decade by just improving their shots. Every player on the squad contributes on each end of the floor.BlackandGreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08973328610673633428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-58123410756137503602009-02-10T15:48:00.000-05:002009-02-10T15:48:00.000-05:00Yeah - the Van Gundy teams cannot compare to the H...Yeah - the Van Gundy teams cannot compare to the Holzman era... alas I wasn't born yet. For their flaws though, those teams did play great team defense - games were usually in the 80's and rarely hit the century mark. Players like Johnson and Thomas in their prime would just muscle opposing players out of the box & Spree was an excellent wing defender jumping passing lanes, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-14560303942089260792009-02-10T15:16:00.000-05:002009-02-10T15:16:00.000-05:00Well said Lucid. I think Red Holzman's Knicks (dat...Well said Lucid. I think Red Holzman's Knicks (dating myself)played an elegant style but did not give up toughness. The epic battles between DeBusschere and Gus Johnson are not replicated today, nor are the toughness and courage of Willis Reed and Wes Unseld. <BR/><BR/>Not so high on Van Gundy's group due to Ewing's refusal to subjugate individual stats for the good of the team. Ewing never became the Bill Russell type defensive player that the Knicks thought they were getting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-10009996647265494342009-02-10T14:39:00.000-05:002009-02-10T14:39:00.000-05:00Anon - I guess we always gravitate toward our own ...Anon - <BR/><BR/>I guess we always gravitate toward our own game... I used to be a dead eye shooter with a great first step...<BR/><BR/>I do like lock down defensive teams though too. I was a big fan of the Knicks during the Van Gundy era.<BR/><BR/>But either way - I think there is an elegance to the team game which is why I think having a mix of players that can bring different styles but mesh well would be my ideal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-60739374209819380952009-02-10T14:16:00.000-05:002009-02-10T14:16:00.000-05:00Man, you really love that Argentinian stuff. Mysel...Man, you really love that Argentinian stuff. Myself, I like winning basketball as defined on college campuses in the United States. As a former banger myself I like tough, hard-nosed basketball as well. I like Tom Crean and the style he brings. His big men were tough at Marquette and will be at IU. They contest every shot and bang the O boards on every shot. They announce to their opposition, through their play, that they are going to be there all night. Do we have anyone that does that? Is it not crystal clear that trying to simply outscore the opposition is a flawed business plan?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-90977520160863406192009-02-10T12:51:00.000-05:002009-02-10T12:51:00.000-05:00I actually prefer the European game - and there ar...I actually prefer the European game - and there are plenty of bangers in that game as well [the Gasol brothers come to mind] - just more finesse, ball control and passing. I find it a more entertaining and compelling mix... I guess I just like team basketball.<BR/><BR/>Think about the Argentian teams from 5 years ago with Ginobili, Scola, Oberto [the latter two definitely fit the banger mode]. That's what I'd like to see at ND and I think it would be successful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-2955718587990790882009-02-10T12:01:00.000-05:002009-02-10T12:01:00.000-05:00Lucid,Apples and oranges. I think K showed what we...Lucid,<BR/><BR/>Apples and oranges. I think K showed what we can do with preparation and proper coaching - sans the Euro ball nonsense. Argentina was not in the final if I remember correctly. Zeller and Ayers are players on our roster who most fit the Euro style - sorry, count me out. I want the 6'9" kids from Detroit who relentlessly attack the basket on both sides of the court. Don't say we can't get those kids. If you believe that then you believe we are destined for programmed mediocrity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-77034855482014593602009-02-10T11:04:00.000-05:002009-02-10T11:04:00.000-05:00Anon - not reallyHave you ever watched the Argenti...Anon - not really<BR/><BR/>Have you ever watched the Argentinian national team play? [Not Europe granted, but definitely the blueprint for 'Euro' success against NBA teams.]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-70801064918486597022009-02-10T09:25:00.000-05:002009-02-10T09:25:00.000-05:00Man, Tom Crean gets it. What he is doing this year...Man, Tom Crean gets it. What he is doing this year will lay the foundation for lots of success in Bloomington. Appears to be the perfect hire for that situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-74143454697555665062009-02-10T09:21:00.000-05:002009-02-10T09:21:00.000-05:00Lucid,In one step you say recruit bangers and in a...Lucid,<BR/><BR/>In one step you say recruit bangers and in another you say continue the Euro style offense and make sure they play D, by the way. Mutually exclusive my friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-83010650050515917722009-02-10T09:06:00.000-05:002009-02-10T09:06:00.000-05:00That would be the best-case scenario. Hockey gets...That would be the best-case scenario. Hockey gets to play without any problem until the new building goes up and the hoops team is able to expand as much as possible.BlackandGreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08973328610673633428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-45679132134357614052009-02-10T00:58:00.000-05:002009-02-10T00:58:00.000-05:00The new rumor with hockey is actually that they've...The new rumor with hockey is actually that they've gone back to pushing a whole new building, which would open up the entire north dome for basketball.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18230182384316801468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-44285180992820917702009-02-09T23:00:00.000-05:002009-02-09T23:00:00.000-05:00My 10:1. Facilities - hell the University has a hu...My 10:<BR/><BR/>1. Facilities - hell the University has a huge endowment and is 'officially' not affected by the economic downturn because of their policy of pre-budgeting all building projects... So go to town - it'll help stimulate what I'm sure is a very depressed regional economy [given the 15.3% unemployment rate in Elkhart]. It's at the very least patriotic.<BR/><BR/>2. Free up money for Brey hire some top flight assistant coaches.<BR/><BR/>3. Recruit at least 1 3-4 star banger and 1 3-4 star slasher [be it a 2 or 3] per year.<BR/><BR/>4. Extend the rotation to a definite 8 with 9-10 when the talent level is there.<BR/><BR/>5. Keep the Euro-style flow on offense and bring in at least 1-2 recruits per year that can play that [complementing the recruitment mentioned above], but make it clear to all players that if they slack on defense there is someone behind them that will take their place.<BR/><BR/>6. Get the ACC teams back too. When I was growing up, we played North Carolina and Duke every year. Granted, the conference schedule would prohibit maintaining that high a caliber each year - but at least alternate years - same with Indiana.<BR/><BR/>7. Bring back the '80's uniforms. I hate the butt and shoulder hugging crap.<BR/><BR/>This list is eerily similar to yours, so I'll stop now...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37698030.post-8311113187805743162009-02-09T15:52:00.000-05:002009-02-09T15:52:00.000-05:00You'll notice that I did not mention depth of our ...You'll notice that I did not mention depth of our rotation. I don't mind going seven or eight deep (provided you give enough minutes to the bench) if those players are producing. I do have a problem with playing ineffective veterans at the expense of younger guys.<BR/><BR/>Also, I hope you don't take the shot at Golden Tate as anything personal. He's a fantastic football player and seems to be a very good ambassador for the University.BlackandGreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08973328610673633428noreply@blogger.com